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17 and 18 vs buu; What if they trained instead of the kids?
Topic Started: Sep 2 2016, 06:13 AM (675 Views)
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Sep 2 2016, 09:45 AM
Then it's quite a contradiction, because both 17 and 18 used ki attacks in the manga and anime.
There's no contradiction. That's such a small plot-point that can easily be explained as opposed to the Androids's lack of presence due to lack of Ki which was actually a relevant factor in the Android Saga.
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Ki is in every living thing. Unless android 17 and 18 are not living they have ki. Hell they could absorb ki. Just because it said tgey did not have ki dosnt mean they dont. They would be unable to use energy attacks if that was the case. Its like them in the anime saying kid buu is stronger than super buu even though it was shown other wise. Ssg goku could do the same thing he cant be sensed so can we say he has no ki.
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The Androids' power comes from a source that can't be sensed using regular ki-sensing abilities. They must have some level of regular ki, maybe a 3-5 reading on a scouter, but their 'Ki' attacks are most likely artificial ki. For all intents and purposes it's the same as regular ki, but it just can't be sensed.
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They might be able to beat Fat Buu but that's it. They wouldn't gain any power from training though, I don't believe that Androids can train to get more powerful.
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They dont need to fuse that way. The two 17s fused there own way. Just saying if they did that fusion there killing even vegito lol. It would be slightly weaker than super 17. Android 35 lol.
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That's completely different.^
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Sep 3 2016, 01:04 AM
That's completely different.^
Yes i know i was just saying its useless for them to dance fuse when they have that. Same for namekians.

Anyway with dance like someone said stronger than base gotenks but not ssj gotenks.
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Sep 2 2016, 07:38 AM
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Sep 2 2016, 06:56 AM
The cyborgs def have ki as they are still living forces (human). It's just as they probs have such a small ki that it's basically non existant.


Also, the Cyborgs have been shown to suppress their own energy as well. lol
Android 20 is also a human-based Android that doesn't have any Ki. What you're implying isn't true and is a fabrication of what's actually stated. Them having not having any Ki is literally what it means. There's absolutely no way to fabricate that not having any Ki suddenly means that they have a small amount of ki. That's rather contradictory.

And no, Cyborgs haven't been shown to control their energy. The only thing they're capable of doing is suppressing their effort and it aligns perfectly to Piccolo having to lecture Android 20 on the fundamentals of Ki control.
It's def been showm in the manga. 18 did so when she was suppressed against the kids.

20 made himself into an android. So he's def different than 17 &18. That's all.


Not really. The Z Fighters have a difficult time pinpointing small ki reads. They would have def would have missed the very small ki level that the cyborgs give off.


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#18 didn't suppress her power. She's got no power to suppress. It would be her effort level.
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